

Clearly, Abba Almighty is not anti-woman. He created woman with man as co-equals in God's image. His plan of salvation includes men and women. He loves each, no more than the other.
The Holy Spirit is certainly not prejudiced in this matter. He calls us to Christ, male and female. He gifts each of us, male and female, black and white, rich and poor, Republican and Democrat, French and Iraqi.
Jesus Christ is the most clearly and obviously unbiased in this regard. He was a liberator not an oppressor. He did not subject Himself to cultural biases and prejudices. Christ, I am told, in every New Testament encounter with a woman broke one or more of His culture's norms.
Don't go overboard and associate Jesus with feminists, but in Christ, there is no pecking order, no sex is better than any other. Rather than oppressing women, actually, Christ liberated women. Jesus reached out to women. At least two of his BFFs were women...
... But did Jesus set any woman up in church leadership?
Sure, Jesus received love and clothes and food and worship and foot-cleanings and prayers from women, and He gave abundant and shocking grace to women, and He protected women and honored women...
... But did Jesus confer upon any woman leadership, eldership, rule and authority in the church?
... Does that matter?
My question, What do the New Testament writings say about women as primary pastors and elders with teaching authority and rule in the church?
Please, don't right lengthy tomes. Only a few people read long comments. But get out your concordances, open your bibles, and seek God's Word and His expressed will on these matters, as best you can, and tell us, ever so briefly, realizing others will respond, what you have found: chapter and verse and brief explanation.
Do me a favor. Keep the gloves on. Love one another. Don't take this personally. Speak what you believe to be the truth in love — I hate to utilize it, but realize I do have the right to post your comments or not. ![]()
And GUYS, you may be wise to hold off for a few days and let the women theologues discuss this first!




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June 28, 2008
No, it's not a Christian artist and it's not even directly about God, but this is a great song in order to get into the head of the past couple blogs regarding our need for love and our fear of rejection. This song reveals many a person's sense of self-loathing and lack of belonging.
CREEP by Radiohead
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so very special
But I'm a creep
I'm a wierdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here!
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You're so very special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a wierdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here, ohhh, ohhh
She's running out the door
She's running out
She run run run run run run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so very special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a wierdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
Now imagine Jesus meeting this singer face to face. Imagine if he got who Jesus was and what Jesus is really about and if this guy saw into the heart of God. And imagine if he trusted Jesus for the grace that God offers him. And imagine Jesus speaking to his receptive heart, affirming God's love to him and God's choice of him, and affirming his identity as a child and friend of God, forever holy and chosen, beloved and free.
Imagine people like this, who are everywhere, meeting Christ in us.
*If you listen to this song, it's a great song, but make sure you listen to the acoustic version; many of you, like me, will not appreciate the lyrics on the other version.
By Steve Behlke
June 16, 2008
The last blog on "Fear of Rejection and the Grace of God" addressed this same subject from the fear side, the fact that we fear rejection. Positively stated, the fear of rejection points to our desire, really our God-given need to be loved. Even the roughest and toughest men in the world have a deep-seated need and longing, a pining to be loved.
But what is love? This is the first of two questions: (1) What is love? (2) How do we live in the realm of love?
(1) WHAT IS LOVE? The Bible says, "God is love." One might look up Romans 12 or 1 Corinthians 13 for a more detailed definition of how love looks. But simply put, "God is love." And Jesus Christ is the divine face of love. Jesus is Love incarnate.
So to know Jesus Christ is to know God's love.
This raises the question, How well do you know Jesus? I'm not talking about how well you know some of the stories about Jesus or His cultural background. But how well do you know — personally, as a friend — Jesus Christ? Another way of asking this is how secure are you in God's love? Again, what is love?
If it's true that to know Jesus is to know that God loves you: Do know that God loves you even when you are covered in the fresh guilt of your worst sin? Do you know that God loves you even when you act unloving or when others don't seem to love you or when your circumstances are so crummy that you might be tempted to think that God does not love you?
To know Jesus is to know that God loves you. "For I am convinced that... nothing can separate us from the love God that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:37-38). And to know Jesus in a real way, is to experience and live in the realm of God's love.
But let's look at love in another way too,
WHAT IS LOVE? Love is the meeting of our needs. Love is the commitment to meet the needs of the beloved* - not the wants, not the desires, but the real needs of the beloved.
Our biggest need, before trusting Jesus Christ, was for the forgiveness of our sins and the gift of eternal life, the restoration to a favored, everlasting, soul-satisfying, God-glorifying relationship with God as Almighty Dad. As an act of needs-meeting love, God committed Himself whatever the cost to fully meet these fundamental needs: For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
So love is the commitment to meet the needs of the beloved.
Now, consider the previous blog. Our fear of rejection signifies that we all have a genuine need, but for what?
We all have a basic, God-given need for acceptance, to be fully known and fully accepted. This need hit crisis-mode in the human race through the Edenic Fall! There we rejected God and experienced the unthinkable, God's rejection. We also experienced human rejection. This new experience is part and parcel of the human condition apart from God's needs-meeting love in Jesus Christ.
Since we now fear rejection we hide the things about us that are not considered attractive, things that might warrant rejection. So we buy Head & Shoulders to get rid of our flakey white stuff. We wear clothes that are more flattering to our body. We buy impressive cars that we can't even afford.
In light of this human condition, WHAT IS LOVE? Love is the commitment to accept the other! Where you fear rejection, love betrothes itself to you forever. Where you fear being known and rejected, love fully knows and fully accepts you. Love means never having to fear the Lover's rejection.
Again, God is love and Jesus Christ is the face of Divine Love. God fully knows you. And through Christ and the work of the cross, God fully accepts you, unconditionally. He chose you. He gives you eternal life with Him. He gives you His Holy Spirit as a pledge of His eternal commitment to accept you. Where you fear rejection, Christ commits to accept you, to delight in you, to never leave you or forsake you.
We have other needs to, which God commits Himself to love us in. In your weaknesses and fears and vulnerabilities, love is the commitment to protect you, to defend you, to be strong for you.
In your fear of poverty and need, love is the commitment to provide for you where you lack.
The list is as long as our God-given needs. Love commits itself to meet the beloved's needs. We know we are loved then, when our needs are met by another.
(2) How do we experience God's love, how do we live in the realm of God's love? A couple of words come to mind: Trust and Humility. A Person comes to mind too, Jesus.
God loves you! He revealed His love on the cross, through His Son. He wants you to know Jesus and to trust Him and to never doubt God's love.
We live in the realm of love by trusting Jesus and also by humbly owning up to our neediness in light of God's commitment to love us.
In other words, "boasting in our weakness," we look to Jesus and allow Him to love us, to meet our God-given needs however He chooses to. Humility allows us to approach God with empty arms and open minds and hopeful hearts, because we know Jesus and trust God to do what He loves to do.
We further clarify God's love in our lives and live in the grace of Divine Love, when we are in a community (a family, church, small group, close friends) that gets this about God, that gets this about our needy selves, that gets love and grace, and commits to love, to accept, to speak truth to, to affirm, to protect, to nurture, to be there for, to listen to, and to help out one another. We live in the realm of love when we live authentically with others who know Jesus in a way that fulfills them.
Finally, we experience God's love when we are able to love others in the same way as God loves us. This is when love is perfected or completed (1 John 4:12). When God's love meets our real needs and fills our hearts to overflowing grace and when we act in needs-meeting love toward others.
Where are you at in this?
* Bill Thrall and John Lynch are instrumental in this understanding. See also the book True-Faced by the same.

By Steve Behlke
June 12, 2008
The other morning I grabbed for my shampoo and, for whatever reason, remembered a Head & Shoulders commercial from the early 1970s. A handsome (I assume) young man in a black tuxedo was at a fancy party and was doing really well trying to impress some young "fox" (remember, it was the 70s) until she looked at his shoulders, gasped at the "flaky white styff," and rejected him!
She rejected him simply because of a few flakes of dandruff on his shoulders!
I was only like 10 years old and probably wasn't into girls yet but I think I begged my mom to buy like a case of Head & Shoulders - and I didn't even know what "dandruff" was before I saw that commercial!
Humans fear nothing more than rejection. (Okay, torture and abuse are really high on the list, but each of these seem to me to be extreme forms of rejection.)
Regular people fear and strive to avoid rejection, especially from those we want to like us the most. So we suck in our stomachs, dye our hair, lie about our incomes and buy cars that we can't even afford; we purchase new clothes every season; we give the impression of being nicer than we are or more successful or like we have it all-together or that we're more spiritual or intelligent than we really are (how we try to impress people all depends on who we're trying to impress and what impresses them at the time); we pretend to be holier, less depressed, or less lonely than we really are (you get the point by now). That's just the human junk we all carry. Yuck.
Deep within we fear rejection.
Yet this underscores how we were created for connection, relational acceptance, community; to experience love, commitment, and grace; and to walk closely with God and others in deep, authentic ways.
It's normal, since the Fall, to fear rejection. But throw a bunch of rejection-fearing people into a "religious" club and give them a whole new list of laws and rules and merit points and demerit points and performance standards that are pretty much impossible to meet; then add to this the fear of judgment and eternal condemnation and the threat of Divine Wrath, and you've got a potent mix, a steroid enhanced communal fear, a toxic brew for creating the Phoniest Hypocrites you would never wish to meet.
Christians - the only people on the planet who might actually know the grace of God in Christ - oddly enough, can be the phoniest, most judgmental, hypocritical people of all. That baffles me. It makes me wonder sometimes if some of them really do trust Jesus for the grace of God to them, if they really do experience grace in a personal way. You know, a way that makes them smile, sing, forgive someone, or to just be kind to someone?
Of course, every Christian claims to understand God's grace and most of them who've been around the block can rehash the theological facts and standard faith-terminology that we've all read in our Bibles and theology books. But I'm talking about grace as a life-experience! Grace that is so real it transforms our hearts, and forever changes our understanding of God, and alters our self-understanding, and truly lifts and liberates us in Christ.
I think fear and control and pride are at the root of graclessness (or ungrace or whatever the opposite of grace is. Actually, the opposite of grace might be pride or selfishness or independence or self-sufficiency... pride.) The antidote is the Gospel. The antidote is Jesus Christ. The antidote is faith, repentance, maybe enough junk and pain and tears and being sick and tired of trying and faking and isolating and pretending. But the answer is Jesus, maybe Jesus plus a community that gets Jesus, that understands and practices grace. That might be good too.
Christians who are not part of a transformed, grace community; Christians who trust Jesus for heaven but still carry out their relationships in a rules-checking, grade-giving, freedom thwarting, affirmation-depriving community can be the phoniest, most difficult to please, rejecting, non-maturing, self-adoring people of all. That's what I've heard from those who've suffered rejection at the hands of Christians, both those who are Christian and those who are not.
This is not a criticism but a warning, a siren sound, a loving friend waking another friend up from a bad dream.
I don't want to be like that. I hate it. I don't want to be part of a community that is like that. I don't want to be part of anything that stands in contrast to the truth teaching and grace-relating ways of Jesus Christ.
Look through the gospels. How did Jesus communicate grace, scandalous grace, radical acceptance, undeserved forgiveness, unlikely friendship, and "why them?" partnership? Did He ever do this? If so to whom? How did Jesus reach out and engage with those who feared God's rejection and felt everyone else's rejection? What was Jesus' solution to rejection? What was His solution to sin? Was it a temporary bandaid or was it something eternal?
Jesus Christ wants us to trust Him and to be totally secure in God's grace, assured of God's eternal acceptance of us through Him. He wants us to trust Him for this and move on in our relationship with God confident in this, to move on, to mature, to become like Him in conveying grace to others. He wants us to be confident in God's love, no matter what, God's forgiveness no matter what, God's power. He puts all of this on Him, not on us: "I will never leave you or forsake you," that's His promise to people who sin and fear rejection and feel rejection.
As those who trust Jesus, we are to be as confident as Paul was, that "nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus." These promises aren't tied to our being good or meriting acceptance or our perfect obedience to the Law or our determination to try harder to be a better person. These promises aren't tied to Law but to Grace, to Christ's promise that is by grace.
Rejection by God, for a Christian, in Christ? That's not an option. Trust Jesus for this.